Emulators on an Amiga.

Originally Posted by :
I've just taken a look at the Sonnet Crecendo and the shark and they are two different beasts. Apart from that Elbox have the cheapest at $450.00 (around £230.00) but because it's a PCI card if you don't already have a mediator then you have to buy one of them which is a further $310.00 (£165.00). Don't know about you but that's more than a few pounds.

They are not, trust me. Much research has been done elsewhere, they are the same.
Those prices have been there since the product was first announced some years past when the price was that high.
I take you point about the Mediator if you don't have one though.

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OS4 is PPC. The court case isn't stopping that. The court case is stopping sales/distribution.

No it isn't. OS4 can be distributed for Classic Amigas with a PPC add on.
OS4 cannot be distributed with any other technology without a license from Amiga Inc.

Originally Posted by :
Yes more programming of ports will be done but only by fans. Basically the same people who are programming the stuff now. We will be getting stuff that is about 5+ years out of date and it will run like a pig as it's just a port and the people doing the port will be the ones with the high end machines.

Already agreed coding will be done within the community.
Why five years out of date?
Apart from Skype, Amigas can do pretty much anything Windoze machines do.
(Although how long that situation will last depends on the issues we are discussing).
Why all ports, when that isn't the case now?
Don't forget we are basing this discussion on cheap upgrades or machines.
We will all be high end. (Well to a degree, we will be all at a similar level)

Originally Posted by :
But as i said at the start it won't be cheap to upgrade and as OS4 is little more than a slightly faster graphical update to 3.5 why bother?

You don't know that it will be and I have seen the figures that it prove it can be.
(Althought that doesn't mean it will be.)
I'ts not just a slightly faster graphical update, it's an OS for faster hardware.
Hardware that's still in development more to the point.

Originally Posted by :
They are two different beasts doing a similar thing you may as well try to get M$ and Apple to cooperate more as they both use Intel.

Not the same, as I have already said, coders are currently producing for both or even all the Amiga OSes and it's derivatives now.

Originally Posted by :
So why call out for new hardware that will deliver very little benefits and empty a huge hole in the pockets of said fanboys. (And this goes for all options of CPU).

Why very little benefits?
Why upgrade anything be it car, computer, games console or household appliance?
As already stated doesn't have to be a huge hole.

Originally Posted by :
I think that what we should be doing is what people are doing with some of the 8bit machines. Exploring the potential of existing hardware and getting the most out of it and get out of this PC frame of mind of asking for "More Power!!!" People said you couldn't do Doom on an Amiga let alone a Spectrum yet they are there and the Spectrum doesn't have any CPU upgrades.

I agree upto a point.
You should always be looking to do the most with the least.
That makes good economical and environmental sense.

But at the end of the day, you can't fit a pint into a half pint glass.
(Trust me, look at my kitchen floor.

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Just read elsewhere that if your theory on the SharkPPC and Sonnet Crescendo are right then we're stuffed anyway as they are no longer in production and isn't the PPC being dropped?
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PPC in general isn't being dropped.
It has been dropped by Apple who where the major buyers of the Sonnet.

I have heard unofficially, Elbox claim there isn't a problem.
Why there isn't, I can only speculate.

1) They have already bought a job lot.
2) They know someone who has them in stock.
3) They have a contract for some to be made when they are ready.

Who knows what the truth is?

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People got a bit worried when Apple dropped PPC processors in their machines because Apple were one of the 3 main companies who own and developed the whole PPC range of processors. But there are still a lot of PPC processors used these days, especially in integrated solutions such as industrial machinery and home appliances.

In addition, all three current main consoles from M$, Sony and Nintendo are using custom versions of PPC processors in their consoles, so IBM have a much larger manufacturing revenue than when they were mainly supplying chips to Apple.
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Originally Posted by TiredOfLife:
PPC in general isn't being dropped.
It has been dropped by Apple who where the major buyers of the Sonnet.

I have heard unofficially, Elbox claim there isn't a problem.
Why there isn't, I can only speculate.

1) They have already bought a job lot.
2) They know someone who has them in stock.
3) They have a contract for some to be made when they are ready.

Who knows what the truth is?

O.k. so the PPC isn't being dropped but the if the Sonnet and the Shark are the same then the Shark is already a dead end bit of hardware and once the stock is gone then thats it. In fact if they are the same piece of kit then all we need from Elbox is the drivers and the Amiga community can save money. But like i say if it's a dead end hardware that will not be developed further what's the point?
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But you could say the the same about the Amiga in general, that it is completely dead end hardware and hasn't really been developed for over 15 years!

My point being that the Amiga is always going to now be an enthusiast hobby for us all and whatever hardware upgrades we buy for them are going to be dead end in some way.
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Does that mean you are saying the Amiga is dead??
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Nope, it's just been castrated...

Think about it...
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My mouse still has it's ball so thats not it. And the Amiga still uses the Boing Ball so thats not it. So thats two balls so i think you may be wrong v85.
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Originally Posted by Buleste:

Originally Posted by TiredOfLife:
PPC in general isn't being dropped.
It has been dropped by Apple who where the major buyers of the Sonnet.

I have heard unofficially, Elbox claim there isn't a problem.
Why there isn't, I can only speculate.

1) They have already bought a job lot.
2) They know someone who has them in stock.
3) They have a contract for some to be made when they are ready.

Who knows what the truth is?
O.k. so the PPC isn't being dropped but the if the Sonnet and the Shark are the same then the Shark is already a dead end bit of hardware and once the stock is gone then thats it. In fact if they are the same piece of kit then all we need from Elbox is the drivers and the Amiga community can save money. But like i say if it's a dead end hardware that will not be developed further what's the point?

The point is pretty obvious.
It's all about getting the max possible of aging technology, see how far you can push it.
That's where the fun is.
Could easily buy a top of the range PC and do everything you want, but where is the fun element?
Computers are usually a tool but as Harrison says, the Amiga is pretty much a hobby for most people.
For me it's both but I've got the bug pretty badly.

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